Oh **** you Kansas`

[Kidlicious]

I didn't know you were rich. That explains a lot. No I don't get mistaken for a gun toting thug. That might be the case if I were black. I am mistaken by extremist rich *******s like you for being a woman beater though.

Forty two percent of the population doesn't hold your same beliefs. They just identify with the democratic party. Black men for example generally don't share your beliefs about gender issues.

And I'm not a gender supremist. You are. PROOF PROOF PROOF. All you have are lies.

[Sava]

I didn't know you were rich. That explains a lot. No I don't get mistaken for a gun toting thug. That might be the case if I were black. I am mistaken by extremist rich *******s like you for being a woman beater though.

Forty two percent of the population doesn't hold your same beliefs. They just identify with the democratic party. Black men for example generally don't share your beliefs about gender issues.

And I'm not a gender supremist. You are. PROOF PROOF PROOF. All you have are lies.

The bit suffers when you try too hard.

[MrFun]

They can't offer federal benefits to couples who aren't recognized as married within Kansas.



The opposition to this law indicates that you'll just run roughshod over any state. This is a violation of the state's ban on gay marriage. Kansas has the right to reject this within Kansas.

This is no different then Dred Scott permitting slavery in all 50 states irrespective of state bans to the contrary.

Were you just born hopelessly obtuse?

The FEDERAL government is perfectly within its own jurisdiction to provide FEDERAL benefits to married gay couples.

How does that force Kansas to legally recognize married gay couples??

What the Department of Justice is doing, has no effect on Kansas's own bigoted law against equal marriage rights.

[kentonio]

Oh and Alabama can **** off too.

How Alabama Tried To 'Erase' This Gay Man's Marriage

Paul Hard and Charles David Fancher got married on a Cape Cod beach in May 2011. They wore white suits with boutonnieres made of yellow roses, and drank three times from a cup engraved with a quote from the Song of Solomon: "I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine."

They went to the office of the town clerk in Provincetown, Mass., to get their marriage certificate, and displayed the prized document on their mantel back home in Alabama. But when the unimaginable happened, none of that mattered.

Alabama, like most of the South, does not allow same-sex couples to marry, nor does it recognize same-sex marriages performed in states where it is legal. So when Fancher died in a car crash, less than three months after the wedding, Hard's grief was compounded by a bureaucratic nightmare. In a lawsuit filed in federal court late last year and announced on Thursday by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Paul argues that the state's laws prohibiting the recognition of his marriage violate his constitutional right to equal protection under the law.

"It just feels like people are trying to erase what was between David and I," Hard said on the phone this week. "Like it was a non-marriage; it was nothing."

The day of Fancher's death, Aug. 1, 2011, began like any other: Fancher rose before dawn and kissed Hard before heading to his job as a director of information technology for a company in Birmingham, Ala. About an hour later, Hard received a call from a nearby hospital. Fancher had been in an accident. Hard grabbed a folder with their marriage license and other important documents, and rushed out the door.

When he arrived, a nurse behind the counter told him that he couldn't see his husband. "I recognized that this was not somebody who intended to be cruel," Hard recalled. "She was kind of horrified, and she said, 'We don't recognize gay marriage here.'"

No one would tell Hard what had happened or describe Fancher's condition, but after half an hour or so, an attendant agreed to take Hard to see him. On the way to his room, Hard asked if Fancher was badly hurt. "Well, he's dead," the attendant told him. Hard's knees gave out. He reached for the attendant, but the attendant stepped away and he fell.

Over the next few days, he made arrangements for Fancher's burial. "I went into business mode, this thing of how you start taking care of the business of death," Hard said.

But the state's marriage ban made that business complicated. At the funeral home, when the director handed him Fancher's death certificate, Hard felt like he'd been stuck with a knife, he said. The document said Fancher was "never married."

"I begged them to change it, to take it off the form, but they wouldn't," he said.

What ultimately drove Hard to sue the state was a dispute over a separate lawsuit. Hard had filed a complaint against the trucking company and drivers involved in Fancher's fatal accident. Even though Fancher's will names Hard as his sole beneficiary, Alabama's state laws bar him from collecting any proceeds from the suit.

"I was bothered really by the injustice of this whole situation. I was David's husband enough to bury him and pay for the funeral. I was David's husband enough to settle his estate, to pay the bills that were left to both of us, but I wasn't his husband in any other regard as far as the laws of Alabama concerned," Hard said. "I had all of the responsibilities, but I have none of the rights that are due me as a spouse."

Since June, when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the provision of the Defense of Marriage Act that forbids the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages, dozens of gays and lesbians around the country have taken similar stands. The momentum has not been confined to liberal parts of the country. In the last two months, judges in conservative states like Oklahoma, Utah and Kentucky, have sided with plaintiffs arguing that their constitutional rights are violated by state marriage bans.

But Hard is the first to take a stand like this in Alabama, where historically courts have not been favorable to gays and lesbians. The chief of the state's Supreme Court, Roy Moore, famously suggested in an opinion on a same-sex parent adoption case that gays and lesbians should be executed rather than allowed to raise children. Last week, Moore launched a personal campaign urging the governors of every state to pass a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

"Alabama is so virulently homophobic in its public posturing," said David Dinielli, a lawyer with the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is based in Montgomery. "Our project is really dedicated to making certain that steps forward in places like New York and San Francisco find their way down to the South at some point."

"To be honest," Dinielli continued. "We're getting anxious."

Gay rights advocates in the state are hopeful that Hard's suit will invigorate their movement. "The thing I keep seeing over and over again on social media or emails from volunteers, is 'When is Alabama going to do something? When's it going to be our turn?'" said Michael Hanson, who works with Equality Alabama, a gay rights group. "Alabamans are really tired of being last or next to last in everything."

Hard hopes that when people in the state learn about his story, they will see that this is "not about politics."

For the most part, he said, his fellow Alabamans were warm and supportive of his relationship with Fancher.

When Fancher proposed in a tapas restaurant in downtown Montgomery, the chef provided a dessert on the house and the waitstaff all congratulated them as they left. The school where Hard teaches threw the couple an engagement party, and his colleagues came to the emergency room and later, to the funeral. Around 300 people signed Fancher's death book.

"People who were very conservative, folks from all walks of life," Hard said. "I've long found, politics aside, that Southerners are very heartfelt people."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4781328.html

[Elok]

I assume then you also have figures for the number of women sexually and financially exploited and blackmailed by illegal abortion providers once they had engaged in an activity that could have resulted in their imprisonment or death? Or the ones who didn't go to hospital and didn't die, but just suffered horrible internal injuries that healed but prevented them ever enjoying sex or having children in future?

Do you have statistics for those? I've read from two sources, one a secular pro-lifer and the other a pro-choicer writing a book about the history of abortion, that the idea of thousands of dead women is an outright fabrication. The latter added that, prior to Roe, most law enforcement authorities in the U.S. simply looked the other way while doctors provided abortion under the table. So, not so many horrible injuries either, I'd assume. He didn't cite figures for that, though. I'll allow the hypothetical possibility that all that could have happened. But there's no proof of it, and the death count makes it sound unlikely.

[Kidlicious]

The bit suffers when you try too hard.

Who has to try? You make it easy with your open display of hatred for my kind.

[MrFun]

Oh and Alabama can **** off too.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4781328.html

[Elok]

I guess what I'm saying is, have you read 1984? The society in that book had what they called an Hour of Hate, where everybody just screams and screams at a TV showing the face of a famous (made-up) political dissident named Emmanuel Goldstein. Conservative's Emmanuel Goldstein is a gay flag-burning atheist with simultaneous communist and fascist leanings. Liberals' E.G. is a knuckle-dragging bigot in overalls who lives in his church and hates thought, love and happiness. What's the difference? They're both stupid ****ing caricatures of made-up villainy, and I'm sick of the screaming.

[Kidlicious]

Do you have statistics for those? I've read from two sources, one a secular pro-lifer and the other a pro-choicer writing a book about the history of abortion, that the idea of thousands of dead women is an outright fabrication. The latter added that, prior to Roe, most law enforcement authorities in the U.S. simply looked the other way while doctors provided abortion under the table. So, not so many horrible injuries either, I'd assume. He didn't cite figures for that, though. I'll allow the hypothetical possibility that all that could have happened. But there's no proof of it, and the death count makes it sound unlikely.

This is true. Some fixed the numbers, and a lot of pro-choicers knew and kept quiet. Today feminists do the same thing with all sorts of statistics.

[MrFun]

I guess what I'm saying is, have you read 1984? The society in that book had what they called an Hour of Hate, where everybody just screams and screams at a TV showing the face of a famous (made-up) political dissident named Emmanuel Goldstein. Conservative's Emmanuel Goldstein is a gay flag-burning atheist with simultaneous communist and fascist leanings. Liberals' E.G. is a knuckle-dragging bigot in overalls who lives in his church and hates thought, love and happiness. What's the difference? They're both stupid ****ing caricatures of made-up villainy, and I'm sick of the screaming.

How about the story of Paul Hard and Charles David Fancher?? You want to write that off as simply hysterical caricature of liberals??

fuck you

[Sava]

Do you have statistics for those? I've read from two sources, one a secular pro-lifer and the other a pro-choicer writing a book about the history of abortion, that the idea of thousands of dead women is an outright fabrication. The latter added that, prior to Roe, most law enforcement authorities in the U.S. simply looked the other way while doctors provided abortion under the table. So, not so many horrible injuries either, I'd assume. He didn't cite figures for that, though. I'll allow the hypothetical possibility that all that could have happened. But there's no proof of it, and the death count makes it sound unlikely.

What could possibly motivate you to have such passionate views to dispel the "myths" of pre-Roe v Wade abortions? I haven't even seen BK go down that road before.

Are you trying to prove that you are in fact BK-lite?

Why is it shocking that there aren't accurate figures for a practice that was underground? That was the whole point. Do you think women went around advertising their abortions? Do you think doctors of the period kept accurate records?

There's more than enough anecdotal evidence to support the notion that this was widespread.

And also... even if there was never a single botched abortion by some butcher... how is it a good thing that thousands of women (10's, 100's of thousands even) were forced to have unwanted children?

you taliban POS

[Elok]

How about the story of Paul Hard and Charles David Fancher?? You want to write that off as simply hysterical caricature of liberals??

fuck you

A cursory Wiki-ing turned up no results for either, and I don't care enough to dig further. I'm going to guess both are gay guys who got beaten to death or something, and one of them had a name that's either really unfortunate or awesome, depending on one's perspective.

[Ban Kenobi]

Liberals' E.G. is a knuckle-dragging bigot in overalls who lives in his church and hates thought, love and happiness.

Does he stand outside funerals holding up signs saying "God Hates Fags"?

[Elok]

Sava: I like how I'm BK-Lite, but you're the one arguing for thousands of deaths that don't show up on any records.

[Elok]

Does he stand outside funerals holding up signs saying "God Hates Fags"?

in 2011, the church stated that it had about 40 members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_baptist_church

Very representative random sample there.